Questions! (thinking of getting one)

Renato LeitaoRenato Leitao FortalezaPosts: 244Member
edited 10 February, 2011 in Alaskan Klee Kai
Hello All. I own a Shiba Inu and i'm that is 8 months old now. She is so well behaved and easy to care for (if you play with her enough) that i decided to get her a buddy dog once shes over one year old, and i've been doing some research. First we were sure we would get another Shiba, but a black and tan one, but now we're thinking maybe get another breed? My girlfriend wanted a french bulldog or something, but i think we need another breed that is clean and primitive and odorless like the Shiba. So I have a few questions - I live in Brazil. Would a klee kai suffer living in a warm environment 12 months a year? - Do they make alot of noise? - Can they live in an apartment? (its crazy how little space a Shiba needs and how much they sleep. Is the klee kai like that at all?) - Do their different sizes make a difference in how they are shaped/look? thanks!!

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  • Emily Lund GroschEmily Lund Grosch Posts: 371Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    - I live in Brazil. Would a klee kai suffer living in a warm environment 12 months a year? Klee Kai can adapt to warmer conditions, they're pretty resilient, but I wouldn't get one unless you can cool them off inside. They need some sort of shelter from the heat, since they do have a pretty thick coat. I'd also add ice to their water on hotter days. :) - Do they make alot of noise? They are a talking breed. The different noises they make vary pretty greatly and always mean something. They grumble when they're displeased, greet you when you get home with lots of talking, and bark occasionally. You'll want to try and desensitize them to you leaving at a young age though. That was the one hard thing about having him in an apartment, is for the first month or so he would cry when we left him alone. Having a shiba though may help the dog's need to be with it's pack. I know they also are capable of howling, but I've never heard Misha do it. The talking is something I actually really like about the breed, because there a stronger sense of communication between you and your dog. It's not for everyone though. :o - Can they live in an apartment? (its crazy how little space a Shiba needs and how much they sleep. Is the klee kai like that at all?) We actually had Misha in a studio apartment before we moved into our house. One room/bed for me, my boyfriend, a cat and a dog. They are pack animals for sure and are pretty happy as long as you're there. But you'll need to make sure they get a good work out every day, or else they get all of this pent up energy and can be obnoxious (Misha starts barking at us for attention when he hasn't gotten enough exersize). - Do their different sizes make a difference in how they are shaped/look? Not really no, there is a possibility of getting all three sizes in the same litter. There are different coat lengths and colors though. Some klee kai have very short coats and others have longer ones. Misha's dad had a long coat and his mum had a short one; his ended up being kind of in between like a fox.
  • Renato LeitaoRenato Leitao FortalezaPosts: 244Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    thanks!! its a really cool breed... only problem is ill probably have to get one from the US without seeing them. What breeder did you get Misha from? I guess mine would have to have short hair due to the weather. What size is misha?
  • Emily Lund GroschEmily Lund Grosch Posts: 371Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    I got Misha from Rose City Klee Kai in Portland, Oregon (well, in Gresham really, but we consider pretty much all of those small towns part of the Portland area XD). There's a bunch of breeders all through California too. I think the biggest challenge will be finding one willing to ship to Brazil. Also, it's a bit hard to tell how big the pups are going to get when they're little. They change in looks pretty drastically as they age. And even if you can't make the trip to see them in person, you can definitely request pictures of the pups, sire, and dam. Here's a couple breeder lists: http://www.akkaoa.org/breeders.html http://www.alaskankl...2/breeder-list/ Misha is standard size, 16". :) He's a pretty big as far as Klee Kai go.
  • Renato LeitaoRenato Leitao FortalezaPosts: 244Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    I hope I can get them to send one... I am going to do a lot of research and talk to some kennels. Thank you for the help misha! ill be comming to this forum to ask more things!
  • Renato LeitaoRenato Leitao FortalezaPosts: 244Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    Would you say that the AKK is primitive in behaviour (independent) ? Aloof with strangers?
  • Emily Lund GroschEmily Lund Grosch Posts: 371Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    When it comes to family, they take great joy being with you as much as they can. I wouldn't really call them an independent breed. However, they do tend to be naturally shy around strange people. Misha likes to sniff new people when they aren't looking, but he definitely won't greet them, or enjoy them trying to pet him until he gets used to them being around (and even then, he's very cautious). He has pretty extreme shyness though, even for a klee kai.
  • LaKrisha SextonLaKrisha Sexton Posts: 1,085Member
    edited 4 February, 2011
    Misha has posted some great info, figured I'd go ahead & post my answers too. You can never have enough info when it comes to a new breed :)) Hello All. I own a Shiba Inu and i'm that is 8 months old now. She is so well behaved and easy to care for (if you play with her enough) that i decided to get her a buddy dog once shes over one year old, and i've been doing some research. First we were sure we would get another Shiba, but a black and tan one, but now we're thinking maybe get another breed? My girlfriend wanted a french bulldog or something, but i think we need another breed that is clean and primitive and odorless like the Shiba. So I have a few questions - I live in Brazil. Would a klee kai suffer living in a warm environment 12 months a year? Totally agree with Misha, they are a pretty resilient little breed, BUT they are bred down huskies so they need to be able to come into to a cool area. - Do they make alot of noise? Yes, they are a very talkative breed. They will talk when nervous, excited, angry, happy anything they will talk to you & they will talk loudly :)) Sorta like the Shiba scream, Esme is the master of it, haven't heard Sizzle yet but we just brought her home today. - Can they live in an apartment? (its crazy how little space a Shiba needs and how much they sleep. Is the klee kai like that at all?) The klee kai can definatly live in an apartment, they can do with little exercise or lots of exercise. With Esme & Sizzle, they are pretty hyper Klee Kai but all aren't like that. I would think they could stick with a Shiba although I don't know much about them. - Do their different sizes make a difference in how they are shaped/look? I wouldn't say the sizes make a difference but they can look differently, take a look at Sizzle & E. Sizzle has a lot longer of a muzzle and her ears are different, she is also a lot more petite than Esme, but it has to do with their parents etc. Misha is right you can get all colors, sizes, eye colors in the same litter & there is no guarantee that you will get a size or color in a certain litter. Sizzle's sister, Dreama, is a Mini & Sizzle is a small red, blue eyed toy which is EXTREMELY rare. Another thing to think about when getting a klee kai is they need INTENSE socialization for their entire lives, but especially when they are puppies. They are prone to shyness so it takes lots of work. Also they are a pretty new breed, been around since about the 70s if I recall correctly, so most breeders are pretty cautious about who they give them too & you will most likely be put on a waiting list. Red AKKs are RARE, period. I NEVER thought I would get one because they were so rare, lots of breeders are working on the genetics so they can get more(my breeder included she has had 3 reds in the past year) but most of the time they are used as breeding dogs to try and make more reds, or sold to show homes. I think the best thing to do is find a breeder that you like & talk to them, LOTS. I talked to Sherry(my breeder for a YEAR before bringing Esme home & she got to know me so well that I didnt end up on her waiting list & I was offered Sizzle before anyone else) it pays off to talk to them a lot. My breeder does NOT ship her puppies, I think most other breeders will, not very sure on that though. Hope I helped you a little bit & good luck in your quest for your next pup :-h
  • LaKrisha SextonLaKrisha Sexton Posts: 1,085Member
    edited 5 February, 2011
    It would not let me edit my post :? I know that was a long post, but they are AWESOME dogs & once you get one you want 100 more :)) & I hope I didnt sound obnoxious or anything in my above post :r
  • Renato LeitaoRenato Leitao FortalezaPosts: 244Member
    edited 5 February, 2011
    Not obnoxious at all! thanks! Question: are they vocal enough that they will annoy neighbors? About the socialization, i know that it has to be really intense since little. Lola, my Shiba was incredibly shy and scared all the time... i guess its a trait for primitive breeds. What is the name of the kennel where you got Sizzle and Esmeralda? THey all look so amazing, I cant tell which is best! But I will im getting more and mroe convinced that this is the breed for us. I just hope I can get a breeder to send one to me, or else ill have to go to us just for that.. THANKS!
  • Emily Lund GroschEmily Lund Grosch Posts: 371Member
    edited 5 February, 2011
    I don't know about other Klee Kai, but most of Misha's noises are quiet enough where I don't think the neighbors could here it. It's really only when we left him for a bit that he'd cry surprisingly loud... o_o And his attention seeking bark was pretty loud... >_< So if you do decide to get one, I would let your neighbors know in advance that you're in the middle of puppy training and not to be alarmed. Neighbors are much less likely to get annoyed that way. For a while one of my neighbors was dogsitting a Pom that would bark a lot because it was away from it's owner. Once she came over and let us know, it wasn't really a bother. :) Klee Kai won't bark all night, and I think that's really the main thing that bothers other people (when they're trying to sleep).
  • LaKrisha SextonLaKrisha Sexton Posts: 1,085Member
    edited 5 February, 2011
    Esme can be really loud, I think it depends on how close your neighbor is to you. I can hear Esme from outside my house when she wants to be outside with me & I won't let her :)) They do not do it all the time though & usually it doesnt last too long, so I think if you talk to your neighbors & let them know whats going on you should be fine. AKKs are an amazing breed & you can't have just one, they truely are one of a kind :c9 I got both of my girls from Sherry Ann Blose, she does not ship her puppies though so you would have to come over and get them, but they are most definatly worth it. I'll give you the link for the rest of the breeders that are members of the AKKAOA as well as Sherry's website. http://sibridgesalaskankleekai.webs.com/ http://akkaoa.org/breeders.html ^^ this is the breeder directory so you can check out all the breeders & see which once fits your needs the best :D Good luck with deciding which breed is for you, its exteremly difficult :))
  • DeDe RigeotDeDe Rigeot New YorkPosts: 57Member
    edited 6 February, 2011
    Hi, I don't have much to add because I think the answers from Misha and Sizzle are on the mark. I will say that Kiska didn't talk for about 1 - 2 weeks when we first brought her home but now that she's not afraid of us anymore, she is very talkative and she can be really, really loud sometimes. Once in puppy play group, she started barking and then crying because I guess maybe a bit of fur got caught accidentally in her collar? The crying was soooo loud and high pitched that the other humans were covering their ears....! Lola, I did have a breeder contact me, looking to place an adult dog. I don't know her personally, and I don't know if you would be interested in an adult female? I can send you the information if you are interested.
  • LaKrisha SextonLaKrisha Sexton Posts: 1,085Member
    edited 6 February, 2011
    Kiska, I know a woman who is also looking to place an adult female. Wonder if its the same one :-k
  • Renato LeitaoRenato Leitao FortalezaPosts: 244Member
    edited 6 February, 2011
    Hey Guys! thanks for the info about Lolas future little brother (or boyfriend?)! Do you guys leave your AKKs alone at home? do they cry alot? do they act like they think youve left them forever?? How are they with obedience training? And do you know why so many people don't ship AKKs? About the adult female, i want to raise from puppyhood and also i think a male would complement better with Lola... THANK YOU SO MUCH! Hopefully our future AKK will be joyning this forum. Please let me know also if you know about kennels who ship abroad.
  • Emily Lund GroschEmily Lund Grosch Posts: 371Member
    edited 6 February, 2011
    My bf and I like to go out to eat a lot, so Misha gets left home for that. He cries and barks at first, but quiets down when he realizes that isn't bringing us back. When we get home, there is a VERY enthusiastic greeting. He is not yet fully desensitized to us leaving, so there is lots of jumping and running around us and welcome home noises. For obedience training, they're very smart dogs. :) I wouldn't say they train easy though. With the right incentives they pick things up VERY quickly, however they are also able to figure out when you're trying to get them to do things they don't want to. XD Be aware that they do have a pretty high prey drive. They could be doing fantastic with recall training, and then suddenly they "can't hear you" when they see/smell something more interesting they want to go after. Luckily, because they are such a pack breed, they aren't likely to go too far if they do take off (by dog standards >_>). With the shipping, I don't know for sure, but I'd guess many don't ship because of the kind of stress it puts on dogs and the uncertainty of not being able to meet who their pups are going to in person. So far, all of the breeders I've met love their dogs like children, and want the absolute best for them. They take placing a pup very seriously, and will deny someone if they don't think it's going to be a good fit.
  • LaKrisha SextonLaKrisha Sexton Posts: 1,085Member
    edited 6 February, 2011
    Esme only screams when I go to take gizmo & Sasha out & leave her in. She can see me from the window lol. When we leave for good we crate her, she only screams for a few minutes & quiets right down. Akks are incredibly smart & they want to please you so training is pretty easy, once you find that motivator. Cheese is a big hit here, especially when working on show training with Sizzle. Clicker training is also a huge help, Esme knows when the Clicker goes into my hand I mean business and fun training time begins. She focuses so much more on me with it than without. As for the sex of your pup you know your dog better than we do. I always thought Sasha did better with males but she is doing great with Esme & Sizzle. There is always a constant dominance battle going on though, Sasha usually comes out on top. I have 3 dominant girls & a laidback boy LOL. Just let the breeder know the energy level & such that you are looking for ahead of time so they can match you with the right pup. As for shipping, sherry doesn't like to ship because she doesn't like stressing her pup out that much, especially that young. She also likes to meet prospective puppy owners & if she gets the wrong vibe from you she won't sell you a puppy, end of story. She is extremely picky about where her babies go. She also keeps constant contact with her puppy owners so be ready to get close with your breeder. I think I answered all your questions but I'm on ky cell phone & can't look back LOL. Keep us posted on your decision!!
  • edited 9 February, 2011
    Lots of breeders aren't open to shipping to a person who they've never met and who's not been involved in the breed and/or breed circle, though that would be hard to do so in Brazil since AKKs are not FCI recognized. Perhaps look into joining some AKK specific forums and stay a while, so that breeders can figure out what kind of person you are, etc. Especially since you are far away and it is pretty clear you have never actually met one in person, nor know how they really are, shipping one out this early in the game really seems to be an impulse buy that many good breeders are not keen of. It's scary to send a pup into the unknown. If you are serious, you should also look into flying out to pick up the dog. The US isn't that far of a flight and things can be pretty affordable as it goes.
  • LaKrisha SextonLaKrisha Sexton Posts: 1,085Member
    edited 10 February, 2011
    Nice post Lilith as always ;)
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