ECS, ESS and WSS help?

Nick PatelNick Patel Posts: 3Member
edited 19 June, 2015 in Choosing the Right Dog
I'll be getting a dog within the next few years, but I'd like to see which breed of dog would fit me the most and to see if there are any good breeders around my area as well. The breeds I'm interested in are: English Cocker Spaniel, English Springer Spaniel and Welsh Springer Spaniel. I've spoken to breeders regarding all 3 breeds and they say that my lifestyle would be a good fit for them. However, I do have some questions for those who own/have owned these breeds: - How easy are they to crate train? / How easy are they to potty train? / How easy are they to train in general? (Esp. w/ recall) - What is the average going price for these dogs? I'm not going to be cheap, but I want to make sure I'm not paying a too low of an amount as that can hint towards BYB, no health tests (which I'll ask about), etc. - Do any of these breeds show any separation anxiety? - What is the main problem you face with these breeds? - How often do you go to get their coat trimmed? - What's the most common health problems with these breeds? (I'm guessing ear infections, but idk) For the ECS, I'm especially interested in either the Blue Roan and Liver Coat, would this bump up the price? And finally, I've done readings on the 'Club' sites of these breeds, but also want to get opinions on what are some good Midwest breeders for these dogs? Thank you so much for the help!

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  • Heathyr GillHeathyr Gill Posts: 915Member
    edited 18 June, 2015
    I am an avid Spaniel person. I currently own one English Springer Spaniel and foster for English Springer Rescue America. I find Spaniels are easy to train and respond well to clicker training and other positive training methods and are easily distraught when you use negativity at them. Spaniels tend to be sensitive, especially to correction. Crate training and potty training are relatively easy if you keep your dog on a schedule (Isabelle my ESS was potty trained almost as soon as she came home and the only time she had accidents as an adult was when she had a UTI or is sick). The main problem with this breed is that due to overbreeding for the ESS and ECS is that their temperament has been effected. A well bred Spaniel is happy, energetic, and not neurotic. Another problem is that these breeds have it all... brains, beauty, and energy making them destructive if left alone with nothing to do over periods of time. The main reason ESS get turned into rescue is because people don't realize how much energy they have. These breeds need mental stimulation along with regular exercise. NEVER use a laser pointer with these breeds as is it can cause OCD and light or shadow chasing. Color should not effect the price of the dog. A good breeder does not charge based on color and avoid breeders who breed specifically for color rather than health and temperament. Be aware that the English Springer Spaniel comes in Bench and field variety with the field variety being tons more energetic and spastic. The Bench bred are the ones with the long coats you see in shows. Welsh Springer Spaniels are not as popular as the English Springer Spaniel or the English Cocker Spaniel. The English Springer is the most popular of the three which means there are a lot of irresponsible breeders for this breed. I cannot guide you on breeders but if you know of some and want my opinion on any just post them here and I can give a quick opinion. If you are on facebook, join English Springer Spaniel Lovers, Clayton, and Welsh Springer Spaniel facebook groups. As always, I have to do a plug for ESRA... the English Springer Rescue America. We get dogs of all ages who need loving homes. The best part of rescue is that you can adopt an adult dog who is already housebroke and crate trained. All of the dogs I have foster have left me being crate trained, house broke, and with basic manners. Please visit www.springerrescue.org for more info. I also live in the Midwest (Indiana to be exact) so I do know of some breeders for Welsh Springers and English Springers. My next puppy is either going to be a Welsh Springer, another Cocker, or a Cavalier King Charles.
  • Nick PatelNick Patel Posts: 3Member
    edited 18 June, 2015
    Thanks for the reply! I've read that they are pretty sensitive, but I'm not sure what that means exactly, do you mind elaborating? Are UTI common and easy to correct? I'm just curious because I've heard about Spaniels getting them often and was wondering if it would be an easy infection to treat. I plan on going on a walk/jog three times a day as I myself am an active person. I was planning around 1-3 miles in the morning before I go off to work, 1 mile or so for lunch and then 3-5 miles in the evening. During the weekends I enjoy going on hikes, so I plan on taking them with me when they're old enough and ready. Since I will be working too and gone for some of the day (not sure yet timings) but I plan on having a friend stop by the apartment and let them out if I am staying late. How would they do by themselves for 5-6 hours? I plan on crate training them so I'll make sure to throw a Kong and dog puzzle w/ treats in there to keep them occupied. Do they have high separation anxiety and are they big barkers? I think I'll side with the show ESS if I do choose to go to the ESS route. I still find it pretty interesting how they look quite different from each other. Okay, I'll look into those groups, thanks! I'll take a look into the rescue site! I'm from Illinois! I was looking into these breeder for ECS: http://nitewindskennels.com/ http://itobaecs.com/ These for ESS: http://www.springerhillsfarm.com/ http://www.kinniriverspringers.com/index.html (If you think that the field ESS are good for apartment life) http://www.foxborogr.com/ESSPups.htm http://www.kinniriverspringers.com/id30.html
  • Heathyr GillHeathyr Gill Posts: 915Member
    edited 18 June, 2015
    Out of the breeders for the ESS, I like Foxborogr the best. She actively shows and health tests her dogs. Please do not go through Kinni River Springers as I see no health clearances done on their dogs. They also breed specifically for color. One of the absolute best people to talk to about Spaniel breeders is the lady who has this kennel: Vistah Springers. She is the co-founder of ESRA and very big on temperament. She extremely honest too. She lives in Ohio. Stonehenge in Indiana is also a amazing breeder of Springers. I know of a Welsh Springer Spaniel breeder in Michigan who does good breedings too but the kennel name escapes me. For the English Cockers, both breeders seem good on glancing through their website. Out of all the breeders, Kinni River is the one I would not go to. No health clearance can be found after searching the OFFA site. Kinni seems to only breed for the rare colors and not for health. Plus they randomly breed the show and field together for no other reason than color. UTIs for Isabelle were stress related and easily treated. You sound active enough for a Spaniel and if you are worried about your work schedule, I would go for a bench bred Springer. Leaving them for 5-6 hrs when they are adults should not be an issue if they are trained properly. On a note about how much you plan to do...it may be to much for a puppy to handle. You will have to work at it slowly and wait until the dog is done growing before walking five miles. Isabelle is an alert barker but she is not really vocal at any other time. I would like to encourage you to look through the ESRA website. Adult dogs are awesome and we have plenty of dogs in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois/Indiana. I volunteer for this group so I like to see my work pay off. A month ago we actually had a blue roan Springer for adoption. You are really headed in the right direction though as you are already looking at better breeders and not BYB. If you have your heart set on a dog with roan coloring than I urge you to get a English Cocker rather than a Springer. Roans are relatively rare in Springers whereas they are a more popular coat choice in English Cockers. I once got an English Springer from a breeder who only bred Tri-colors and ended up with a neurotic dog who was diagnosed with Epilepsy and died before he was three from a seizure. Since then I am pro-rescue. I am not anti-breeder but I now know what to look for in a breeder and those who breed for color should be avoided. Good luck!
  • Nick PatelNick Patel Posts: 3Member
    edited 19 June, 2015
    Thanks! I'll make sure to contact her! That's what I was thinking about. I'd feel bad about the field ESS being hyper after the 10 or so miles a day. And just a question, would a ECS be able to keep with me on long hikes? What age would an adult ECS/ESS/WSS be able to keep up with me and how long of a walk is too much for an adult? Are Spaniels good hiking/camping companions? I'll def. not take the puppy out on that much of a walk right off the bat. Since usually puppies come home around 7-8 weeks, I was planning to walk them around my house a few times, since it is grassy, and then after a few months work them up to pavement. Because when I go into an apartment it'll prob be around 4-6 months of age and then I can slowly walk them on pavement. While I am at my house I do plan on enrolling Puppy K and then possibly either CGC if it is well behaved or an off leash obedience after I think the pup has the basics down. Do you also think 4-6 months is okay to leave the dog for 3 hours or so? I know you have to slowly work up to that time (I plan on leaving the puppy for a few minutes in the first week home, then 20 min next week, 30 next week,and then work up to hours, etc.). I'll look into the shelter! I actually volunteer at a local one myself haha. Oh I'm sorry to hear that, and I would hate to have that happen to my first dog, or any dog. Thank you so much for the help!
  • Heathyr GillHeathyr Gill Posts: 915Member
    edited 19 June, 2015
    Spaniels are typically full grown by six months of age. Your breeder should be able to help you with that too. I would think by six months of age you should be able to do longer walks. The English Cocker Spaniel will be able to do everything a Springer can do the plus being is that they are calmer. I really hope you get to talk to Judy. She will be able to guide you through breeders better than I because she also knows temperament of the kennels and I don't. www.springerrescue.org is the rescue site. There are plenty of dogs who need homses and would love to exercise with you.
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